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is ridiculous. >> one more on afghanistan. defense secretary panetta said "i believe remembers we're in r strategically defeating al qaeda." do you believe that? >> well, he's got a lot of knowledge, so i'd give that deference -- >> that's a big accomplishment, isn't it? do you give credit to president obama in terms of al qaeda? >> he's made good decisions in that regard. finding and killing osama bin laden is good leadership, but this is a multidecade commitment and it's not over yet. >> let me ask about social policy. you've notably said you're a big fan of lady gaga, and even the song "born this way." there's a lot of debate about a gay marriage pledge in iowa, and related to that, i wonder, do you agree with some of those who are behind that, that being gay is a choice? >> well, i have two teenage daughters who listen to lady gaga, so i'm subjected to it, and it has some good qualities to it. but as to gay marriage? i'm a supporter of traditional marriage between a man and a woman. i have not supported the issues of allowing gay couples to have the same benefits and public employment
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